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It is uncertain if the white horse flag is actually used as such. If so, it would be a banner of arms, and may contain the word "INVICTA" below it. The Kent County Council uses the white horse on its logo:
located by James Dignan
This logo has the white horse of Kent, but I have a feeling that the Invicta
flag is simply a banner of the county's arms, i.e., a white horse on dark red
(certainly far darker than on the KCC logo!).
James Dignan, 10 June 2004
The white horse of Kent appears on the burgees and ensigns of the Medway
Cruising Club and the Medway Yacht Club.
David Prothero, 10 June 2004
There is an illustration of the flag of Kent on page 63 of Bartram (2004). The
horse is very definitely upright, like a circus horse rearing, and is offset
towards the hoist.
Graham Bartram, 10 June 2004
This flag is very definitely flown (occasionally, still) from County Hall in
Maidstone. Until the new Logo was adopted (?1990s) the heraldic banner was the
only flag used by the County Council and flew daily from County Hall. It does
NOT have the "Invicta" motto beneath the Horse. The grant of arms was made to
Kent County Council in the 1930's, and the first flag caused a little
controversy due to its red colour. It was presented by a local Labour MP,
who was suspected of making a Socialist statement.
The position of the horse on the arms, logo and flag is indeed "rampant" , that is, rearing on one hind leg -- but this version dates only from the 1930's Grant of Arms. Earlier versions depict the Horse as forcené (i.e. rearing naturally on its hind legs) or occasionally courant (running). Some 19th century versions
show the background colour as blue, and there is sometimes a green strip of turf below.
The "Invicta" motto is associated with the story of the Treaty of Swanscombe in 1067: according to local legend, William the Bastard, having seized the English throne, was travelling to Dover when he was met by the Cantware (the People of Kent). They demanded from him their ancient laws and rights, in which case he would have their loyalty, or else "battle most deadly". William granted the request, and Kent acceded to his reign by treaty, hence getting the motto "Invicta"
(unconquered). I have lived in Kent all my life, and can vouch for the fact that William is never styled "Conqueror" by anyone native to the County.
Karl Wittwer, 24 July 2004
As a Kentish Man I have just looked at your site re the flag and arms of Kent,
and found as expected reference to Hengist and Horsa (though I've never heard it
said before that they were one and the same person: brothers, the younger of
whom, Horsa, was killed in battle). Hengist, whose banner may have been a white
horse on a red ground went on to found the Kingdom of Kent which then included
the Isle of Wight, given by a later King of Kent to Cerdic the first King of
Wessex. My reason in writing to you is that Hengist and Horsa and their
followers were not Saxons, but Jutes who had been exiled from their native land
(Jutland). Of course the Saxons, Angles and Jutes were very closely related to
each other, all coming from the area of Northern Germany around the Jutland
peninsula, so much so that modern DNA testing cannot tell their remains apart.
Richard Kent, 15 June 2006
by James Francom, 13 October 2003
The arms were granted on 17 October 1933 and re-confirmed in 1975. The white
horse of Kent is supposedly the old symbol for the Saxon kingdom of Kent, dating
from the 6 - 8th century.
The crest shows a mural crown, which symbolizes the many castles in the county, as well as the independent Saxon kingdom of Kent. The sails are symbols for the strong ties of the county with the sea and stand for the navy, the mercantile marine and fisheries. The sea lions are also a symbol for the strong ties with the navy, the lion being the British lion. The sea lions also symbolize that Kent is the frontier of Britain with continental Europe. The left supporter wears the arms of the Cinque Ports, five harbour cities that had to provide support for the English navy until modern times. Four of these cities are in Kent. The arms are three lions with ship hulls as tails.The right supporter wears a shield with the arms of the Archbishopric of Canterbury, founded in 597 by St. Augustine.
James Frankcom, 13 October 2003
The badges of some British regiments had a white horse that was not derived from the arms of Hanover:
David Prothero, 2 June 1999
When the elector of Hanover became king of England the white horse seems to have been given prominence in other iconography. This may have been because, as others have noted, it was already a German symbol well accepted in England. The white horse of Hanover seems to be associated with the motto Nec Aspera Terrent, and the white horse of Kent with the motto Invicta.
T.F. Mills, 3 June 1999
by Rob Raeside
Outside Canterbury Cathedral there is a flagpole, which last Saturday was
flying a blue flag with a white cross throughout, and in the centre, the letter
I above the letter X, both in black. When I was there, it looked like there was
something above the I but it was not clear. I remember spending a fair amount of
time trying to see it clearly. I am still not 100% sure that it was there.
Jonathan Dixon, 2 April 2005
They are the arms of the Cathedral itself. From the cathedral's gift shop
webpage - "Our logo is the
Cathedral's coat of arms (a blue shield with IX, the Greek abbreviation for
Ned Smith, 2 April 2005
The arms of Canterbury Cathedral are "Azure on a cross Argent the Greek
letters I and X in pale Sable." See them at
James Dignan, 22 December 2005
In 1930 the Town Clerk of Rochester informed the Admiralty that the Mayor of Rochester was, by the terms of various Charters granted between 1189 and 1692, Admiral of the Medway, and entitled to fly the flag of an admiral when on the river between Sheerness (where the river Medway flows into the Thames Estuary) and Hawkwood (near Maidstone). He enclosed the drawing of a flag, a St George's flag defaced in the centre with the arms of Rochester, which he suggested should be approved by the Admiralty, to obviate confusion between an Admiral of the Royal Navy, and the Admiral of the Medway.
The Admiralty replied that the title Admiral of the Medway did not confer the right to the proposed flag, which would contravene the Order in Council of 9 July 1864, that abolished Royal Navy Squadron Colours, and established the design of the flags of naval admirals. The Town Clerk then asked if the Mayor could continue to fly a plain St George's flag, something he had done for many years. At that time Chatham, which is along the river adjacent to Rochester, was a major naval dockyard port, so, not unsurprisingly, the Admiralty refused this request. [National Archives (PRO) ADM 1/8744/138]
David Prothero, 13 June 2003
http://www.doverport.co.uk/index.asp is a logo of this port that looks like
a flag - white-blue-white (1:4:2) with canton half way with three boats.
Dov Gutterman, 21 October 2003
The canton is the arms of the Cinque Ports: per
pale gules and azure three lions passant guardant dimidiated and conjoined to
the hulks of as many ancient ships all in pale or. Dover was one of the
principal members of the Cinque Ports organisation (something similar to the
German Hansa towns, although not as powerful). Dover Council does not fly a flag
of its own.
Ian Sumner, 22 October 2003