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Both flags used unofficially since 1945, adopted 14th December 1953
The number of lozenges is only fixed to a minimum of 21, including
the incomplete ones. That means that flags with more lozenges are
correct. The shape of the lozenges is not fixed by the law,
but the (incomplete) lozenge in the upper corner must be a white one.
Dieter Linder, 12 Jan 1998
Both horizontal and vertical
flags with blue over white stripes or
and white lozenges without arms can be considered official for use
as state and civil flag and as civil ensign (on lakes and rivers) [thus ].
The variants with arms are not only unofficial,
but strictly speaking illegal. However, the de facto used civil
flag is in most cases a lozengy flag with the arms.
Marcus Schmöger, 28 Jan 2001
The angle of the lines forming the lozenges is not prescribed. There
are many variants available.
Marcus Schmöger, 2 Feb 2001
|RGB 0-0-204||(FOTW dark blue or B+)|
I would say that use of dark blue RGB 0-0-204 is definitely not correct
for two reasons. Firstly, being from Bavaria, I have never ever seen it
being used. Secondly, and more important, the colours are described in
the Bavarian anthem "the colours of the sky, white and blue" and sky blue
is definitely a light shade of blue. Further, I would think that a very
light shade (RGB 0-204-255) is the more popular colour (the folkloric or
"Beer Festival" type) while the slightly darker RGB 0-128-255 is
more frequent in official use, e.g. on government flags.
Stefan Clement, 31 Mar 2002
Stefan Clement is basically right about the use of a darker shade of blue for more "official" use instead of the lighter shade, that is used as "Beer Festival" type. This would be one of my research projects, if I would have enough time: the shade of the Bavarian blue over the time and for different uses.
As regards the dark blue 0-0-204, I would have agreed with Stefan Clement, say two years ago. Since then, however, I have visited many municipalities researching municipal flags, where I have also looked at the Bavarian flags in storage. Many of the older Bavarian flags in storage, mostly striped, not lozengy flags, but always hanging flags, show a quite dark blue, decidedly darker than usual now. If this should be represented on screen as RGB 0-0-204 is another question, as it is always, especially with the blue shades.
There is no legal definition of the blue, so basically any blue would
do. The colours derive from the lozengy arms of the Wittelsbach
family and in heraldry there is no distinction
between light blue or dark blue, so I would guess that in most times different
shades had been in use. The Bavarian anthem does not help much as the sky
can have quite a range of different shades of blue. Of course the anthem
did influence the perception by the people of a light shade of "sky blue"
being the more correct shade of the Bavarian blue.
Marcus Schmöger, 7 Apr 2002
|Reported c.1970||Oktoberfest 2000 no.1||Oktoberfest 2000 no.2|
|by Jaume Ollé||by Marcus Schmöger||by Marcus Schmöger|
Some vexillological observations during the 2000 Oktoberfest:
- In front of the Feldherrnhalle ("general's hall") there were two large flagstaffs, one displaying a large Bavarian white-blue striped bicolor, the other a Munich black-yellow striped bicolor (de-by-m3.gif). Both had proportion of about 3:1. At the top of the flagstaffs there were distinctive finials: a lion for Bavaria, a monk for Munich. I guess these flags are among the largest flags in Bavaria.
- At the Rathaus (town hall) there were very long vertical flags (about 6:1): Bavaria, Germany and Munich.
- All around the old town of Munich there were groups of flagstaffs installed displaying alternately the Bavarian flag and the Munich flag. The flags used had a proportion of about 3:1 (higher than wide) and consisted of white-blue lozenges or black-yellow lozenges, respectively.
- The buses and trams displayed a triangular flag white-blue and one
Marcus Schmöger, 6 Oct 2000
Most official authorities (e.g. the Bavarian ministries) use vertical
flags (German and Bavarian) as their official
flag on the building. So one could call that 'regular' here in Bavaria.
Marcus Schmöger, 2 Feb 2001
These are the two versions of the Bavarian coat-of-arms:
- Greater arms (großes bayerisches Staatswappen): quartered shield with inescutcheon and lions as supporters;
- Lesser arms (kleines bayerisches Staatswappen): just the inescutcheon of the greater arms (lozengy of white and blue) with the crown.
Marcus Schmöger, 18 Feb 2001
I think I must have said this a few years back. It should be remarked
that in April 1945 (as I was going swiftly through Southern Germany), while
in other parts of Germany, if we saw flags waving at all, they were white
surrender flags (usually bedsheets), in Bavaria we frequently saw Bavarian
Norman Martin, 18 Jul 2003
...and the two variants (horizontal bicolor, lozenges) are use to indicate
calm vs. choppy waters? ;-)
Thorsten, 24 Oct 2003
I would suppose that the origin of the tincturtes in the arms of Bavaria,
which have given the colours to the flag, is so old that the meaning, if
there was one originally, is acctually long since forgotten. That is the
case with most old national colours.
Elias Granqvist, 24 Oct 2003
Do we have pure lakes and rivers? Really?
And the question is what does "represent" mean?
The Bavarian colours white-blue (never say Blue-White!!) are derived from the lozengy coat-of-arms of the Wittelsbach family, that ruled Bavaria for centuries. The Wittelsbach had inherited this arms from the counts of Bogen. As with all ancient arms (except the canting ones) there is no "meaning" in the arms, at least none is known. There had been quite some debates (especially in the 19th century), what the *lozenges* mean, but this was all fictitious crap.
The only connection of the *colours* white and blue with some feature of Bavaria, can be found in the text of the Bavarian anthem:
"und erhalte dir die Farben deines Himmels, Weiß und Blau" (and save you the colours of your sky, white and blue).
Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 24 Oct 2003
Interestingly, "Blau-Weiss" was the name of a German Jewish student
group in the 1920's or so. The origin of the name is obvious.
Nathan Lamm, 24 Oct 2003
Marcus asked: "Do we have pure lakes and rivers? Really?" and I ask: "And women, too?"
The root "Wittel" refers to "Weiss", white, and a "Bach" is a brook,
usually blue, and here we have the pure white and blue rivers, haven't
we? Lakes are useful in Bavaria only to drown crazy kings, which is more
human than beaheading or guillotinizing them.
Ivan Sache, 24 Oct 2003