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image by Ivan Sache, 31 May 2006
Lloyds (1912) shows the house flag of
Lindsey Steam Fishing Co. Ltd., Grimsby, as red with the white letters LY placed
horizontally in the middle of the flag.
The flag is also found at
http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/ImPage.cfm?PageNum=30&BibId=11061&ChapterId=8
. [The Lindsey company was not based in Davenport.]
Ivan Sache, 31 May 2006
image by Jarig Bakker, based on the website of the National Maritime Museum.
From the website of the National
Maritime Museum, "the house flag of the Link Line Ltd., Liverpool. A
rectangular flag, divided into black and yellow with a black letter 'L' in each
yellow quarter. The flag is made of nylon fabric. It has a cotton hoist and is
machine sewn. A rope and toggle is attached. The design is based on the
International Code signal flag 'L'."
Jarig Bakker, 19 August 2004
image located by Jan Mertens, 27 December 2005
Source: http://www.deltatango.freeserve.co.uk/llandudno.html.
At
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/LNWSS.html are some pages about the Liverpool &
North Wales Steamship Co. As explained there, the firm was founded in 1891 being
the result of a merger between the New North Wales Steamship Co. and its
competitor, the Liverpool, Llandudno and Welsh Coast Steam Boat Co. That was
rather remarkable as the first company was barely one year old but then it had a
formidable paddle-steamer against which the other firms' ships could not
compete. The new company's name indicated its area of activity which came to
include the Isle of Man in 1892. Liverpool & North Wales took over the Snowdon
Passenger Steamboat Co. (founded 1892) in 1899, neutralizing another competitor.
From then on, the company maintained its position, replacing and modernizing its
ships – witness the many post cards – but along with other firms it suffered
from the excursion market’s decline starting in the ‘fifties. Operations came to
a halt in 1963.
Now and then the house flag is shown – very small of course – on a Simplon site
post card. It was a white swallowtail bearing a blue cross throughout, a typical
Welsh symbol in the middle: the coronet and the three ostrich feathers, all in
yellow.
Jan Mertens, 27 December 2005
image located by Jan Mertens, 15 February 2006
On the Kennedy, Hunter & Co. agencies list is the Lockett Wilson Line Ltd,
London. See the history pages of the
Dundee, Perth and London Shipping Company site:
“In 1954 the company acquired a minority interest in a small London-based firm,
Lockett Wilson Ltd. This was to lead to another happy and profitable association
as Lockett Wilson Ltd. were not only using Dundee Wharf, but were also in the
market to buy ships. Soon the “Clova” and “Crombie” were transferred to the new
firm and sailings were operated from London to Paris and also from Goole and
Hull to Paris and Brussels. (…)
The coastal home trade became increasingly difficult to operate
profitably during the 1950’s and 1960’s (…and…) there were significant changes
in the distribution pattern of cattle feedstuffs. As a result, important
decisions were made about the future of the company. The most radical was the
termination of the liner service between Dundee and London which had been run
since the formation of the company in 1826. (…) The only coastal liner service
remaining was the occasional voyage to Southampton with potatoes. The coastal
fleet was reduced to four vessels by the beginning of 1963. (…)
The year 1967 was the end of the line and in March the “Kingennie”
tied up in the Tyne after a voyage from Swansea and the company flag (of Dundee,
Perth & London, jm) was run down for the last time. The “Kingennie” was the last
ship to be owned by the company and a ship-owning era of just over 140 years was
at an end.
The company maintained its interest in Lockett Wilson Line and
Channel Shipping and their five ships. However, these were facing severe
competition from ro-ro ferries and container ships. Dundee Wharf was sold in
October, 1969.”
See this photo of a ship owned by LW 1963-1968:
http://www.stegro.nl/Website1/Marne(2).htm
I do not know when Lockett Wilson was founded and the house flag must logically
have been adopted before the takeover by Dundee, Perth & London. The flag is
white and bears a large blue diamond, bordered white (visible thanks to black
holding lines) and on which the white company initials L and W appear, the W
floating above an L with an extended lower leg.
Jan Mertens, 15 February 2006
image by António Martins, 28 March 2000
A company flag of Lloyds. From: I. O. Evans 'The Observer Book of Flags', 1959: 'The St. George's Cross, red on white, distinguishes a number of civic flags associated with London. That of the city of London bears in the canton, in red, the sword which beheaded St. Paul <...> On the shield which forms the badge of the Corporation of Lloyd's the Cross and Sword of London City are placed above a foul anchor in gold. Lloyd's signal stations fly a blue ensign with this badge in the fly; Lloyd's burgee for boats places it in the canton of a long pennant whose field shows a St. George's Cross with its arms traversed by a narrow blue cross.'
Jarig Bakker, 21 December 1999
Lloyd's boats were entitled to fly a Blue Ensign with their badge: Admiralty Warrant 9th September 1882.
This is now used only ashore at Lloyd's offices and occasionally at Gibraltar Signal Station.
David Prothero, 27 December 1999
I chanced upon some more information about Lloyd's flags in ADM 1/8950.
1882. Admiralty Warrant for Blue Ensign with Lloyd's badge in the fly. 9 Sep 1882.
1894. Lloyd's asked for permission to fly a white ensign with a blue overall St George's cross and their badge in the fly (presumably in the fourth quarter). Admiralty refused to allow it for use on boats because it would have been too much like the RN White Ensign, but did not have the authority to ban its use on signal stations. However Lloyd's dropped the idea.
1896. Admiralty approved white ensign with Lloyd's badge in the fly and no overall cross for Signal Stations. Flags of this design had probably been in use since 1894.
1900. Admiralty suggested that this flag should not be flown.
1904. Admiralty agreed that there was no harm in this flag being flown at Signal Stations abroad.
1914. Use of Lloyd's white ensign abandoned.
There is some inconsistency here in that Admiralty are said to have no authority over flags ashore, but are then approving a flag for a Signal Station. I think the explanation is that although the Admiralty's authority legally extended only to flags flown at sea, and on rivers, lakes and inland waters, they claimed the right to regulate the use of any flag that looked similar to a maritime flag. Thus yacht clubs that had warrants for Blue or Red Ensigns defaced with their club badge in the fly, were not allowed to fly them ashore at their club-house. RN barracks could fly the White Ensign because they were considered to be extensions of ships-of-war, but Dockyards and Naval Hospitals had to fly the Union Jack. An exception was made for
Customs and Excise who were allowed to fly the Customs ensign on Customs Houses.
David Prothero, 29 January 2000
An incorrect image of a supposed Lloyds flag as a red ensign was found in a series of Danish stickers issued by Danmark Coffee Co. (circa 1935).
Ole Andersen, 21 December 1999
The Lloyd's badge on a blue disc on a Red Ensign is an error. It is perhaps a misinterpretation of the Admiralty Flag Book. Badges that appeared direct on Blue or Red Ensigns, but did not appear
on UJs, were shown on a blue circle or red circle respectively.
David Prothero, 30 December 1999
Lloyd's Yacht Club was founded 1938 and granted the defaced Red Ensign 1950.
Here is a picture of it in use from
http://www.bellandclements.com/whatsnew/.
David Prothero, Ole Anderson, 28 March 2003
A photo of the Lloyds of London white ensign can be seen at the
Port Cities website and of the blue ensign also at the
Port Cities website.
Jan Mertens, 20 February 2005
image by António Martins, 25 February 2005
Burgee based on
Mystic Seaport website, but the current Lloyds Yacht Club website shows the
burgee without
the red cross.
Jan Mertens, 21 February 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, based on the website of the National Maritime Museum.
From the website of the National
Maritime Museum, "the house flag of London & Overseas Freighters Ltd.,
London. A pennant divided horizontally into white over blue with a red
five-pointed star in the centre. The flag is made of a wool and synthetic fibre
bunting. It has a cotton hoist and is machine sewn. A rope and toggle is
attached."
Jarig Bakker, 20 August 2004
image by Jarig Bakker, based on the website of the National Maritime Museum.
Shown on the website of the National
Maritime Museum, as the Crescent Shipping line, this is the flag of the
London & Rochester Trading Co. Ltd., Rochester, as depicted in Loughran (1979)
with proportions 2:3 instead of 1:2 as on the Museum site.
Jarig Bakker, 10 August 2004
The company now continues as Crescent Shipping.
image located by Jan Mertens, 23 November 2005
A website showing
objects recovered from shipwrecks
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~indigo/flags.htm (fourth picture) shows
the house flag of the London, Brighton & South Coast Railway. It can be
described as a St George cross – red on white, throughout – with the upper left
quarter diagonally divided blue above white ((ascending diagonal), the upper
right one diagonally divided red above white (descending diagonal), the lower
left one white above red (descending diagonal) and the lower right one white
above blue (ascending diagonal). The company name gives precedence to the
British side but it also has French connections. The
initials L.B. & S.C. are shown on the garter surrounding the flag but also the
word ‘Ouest’ (French for ‘West’) and an additional scroll bears the words
‘Newhaven & Dieppe Service’.
Here is a link to
Dominique Cureau's site on French house flags, where the flag is basically
the same – the cross is somewhat thicker – identified as that of the French
State railway (source given as Talbot-Booth). The
on-line 1912 Lloyds Flags & Funnels has this flag as well under No. 1800.
under ‘London Brighton & South Coast and French State Railways Newhaven-Dieppe
Service’.
The British company existed – in this form – from 1846 to 1923, as documented at
http://www.lbscr.demon.co.uk/index.html. More information about the French
connection (1867 text) can be found at
http://steve.pickthall.users.btopenworld.com/ssx1867/newhaven1867.html:
“Newhaven has become a considerable port for continental traffic; a branch of
the London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway connects it with London, and fast
steamers ply daily to and from Dieppe, in connection with the Western Railway of
France (Chemins de Fer de l’Ouest, jm), forming the most direct line from London
to Paris: this route is preferred by many, not only for its regularity and
cheapness, but also for the beauty of the scenery from Dieppe to Paris.”
The following page shows a series of French posters for this service:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/etat/affiches/affiches5.htm, and
another page (in French) gives the date of foundation of the common service as
1859, shows the house flag, etc.:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/etat/inattendu/dieppe.htm. The Chemins
de Fer de l’Ouest became French state property in 1908.
Jan Mertens, 23 November 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, based on the website of the National Maritime Museum.
From the website of the National
Maritime Museum, "the house flag of London Court Line Ltd. A rectangular
white flag bearing a black tower and crescent. The flag is made of a machine
sewn, wool and synthetic fibre bunting. The tower motif and the hoist are made
of cotton fabric. A rope and toggle is attached. The Court Line Group purchased
tankers from 1963 and these carried a blue house flag with a bird design.
The line was a tramp shipping company founded in 1905 by Philip Edward
Haldinstein and based on London. His ships were all called after country houses
with the suffix 'Court'. The fleet expanded greatly in the 1920s and was badly
affected by the depression, many vessels being laid up. The company moved into
bulk carriers in the 1960s and tankers. The company changed its naming scheme
with new vessels having the prefix 'Halcyon' and also its livery. The group's
diversified interests in airlines, package holidays, shipbuilding and repairing
led to cash flow problems. As a result it went into liquidation in 1974."
Jarig Bakker, 20 August 2004
image by Jarig Bakker, 20 September 2005
C. M. Los (London) Ltd., London - triband blue-white-blue, in center red
turned "V" (= Greek letter lambda (L))
Source:
Loughran (1995)
Jarig Bakker, 20 September 2005
image by Ivan Sache, 14 July 2005
A picture of a pitcher showing the flag can be found at
http://www.cabinclass.com/dinnerinthediner/pages/archives/steamship/loug_01.htm.
The flag is a red
field, white diamond with blue letter ‘L’. The
mysticseaport.org website describes this company as 'Redcroft Steam
Navigation Co., Ltd. (Lewis Lougher), Cardiff'.
Jan Mertens, 12 July 2005
image located by Jan Mertens, 14 July 2005
The striking flag of the ‘Blue Anchor Line', 'Lund’s Line' ('W. Lund & Sons,
London') can be seen on various kinds of pottery at
http://www.numa.co.za/lunds.htm.
It is white, a blue anchor placed in a diagonal position. The company was
founded 1869 by Wilhelm Lund to ship passengers to Australia and - at first -
bringing back tea from China. First steamship bought in 1880, transformation of
fleet completed in 1890. Mysteriously lost ‘SS Waratah’ in 1909 causing it to be
nicknamed later “Titanic of the Southern Seas”. This blow was crippling to the
company; a year later its competitor P&O bought the ships and Blue Anchor
stopped its activities.
Jan Mertens, 14 July 2005
image by Jarig Bakker, 25 December 2005
Lykiardopouldo & Co., Ltd., London - white flag, red 5-pointed star.
Source:
Loughran (1995)
Jarig Bakker, 25 December 2005
See also:
from Stewart and Styring's Flags, Funnels and Hull Colors 1963