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It appears that "Emden" and "East Frisia" were used indistinctly to refer to the same entity, Emden being the capital of East Frisia were the Emden flags we have actually the flags of East Frisia?
Santiago Dotor, 1 March 2001
I do not think so. The capital of East Frisia was Aurich from 1561 on. My assumption is that the flags just represent Emden itself. Emden had a very large merchant fleet at times, especially during the war between the Netherlands and Spain when the Dutch harbours were blocked.
Stefan Schwoon, 1 March 2001
Relations between lords and cities were quite varied and changeable with cities attempting to acquire as much autonomy as possible. In many cases the merchant ships sailed under flags that were thought of as belonging to the city rather than the lord. Since virtually all the merchant fleet of Ostfriesland belonged to Emden, this says that during much of the period, Emden flags were more or less rather than obviously flags of Ostfriesland. More or less modern relations between the city and the lord were not established until the prince defeated the town in 1726.
Norman Martin, 1 March 2001
Emden was the capital of East Frisia from 1464 to 1561, after then the capital was Aurich. In 1595 Emden parted from East Frisia ("got lost"). In 1744 the principality became a Prussian province with its capital in Aurich. Norden and Emden belonged to it. Siegel 1912 says, "...in 1683 the seat of the Brandenburg-Westafrica Co. was moved to Emden (...) The Frisians were allowed to sail under the Brandenburg flag, so they were under protection of Brandenburgish warships (...) [in] so far [as] the Frisian ships did not wear the Brandenburgish flag, the cities of Norden and Emden sailed under their own flags (...)". Siegel 1912 does not mention any Frisian or East Frisian flag. So I believe there was no Frisian flag.
In 1739 the Prussian flag was prescribed for all cities, but that was possibly not followed, Siegel 1912 writes. The Prussian authorities had found out that five different flags were flown on ships of Emden before that order of 1739. A royal order of 10 March 1803 commanded the Prussian flag for general use, although design and decoration was in the hands of the seatowns. Around 1811 the Emden flag[s] disappeared.
Ralf Stelter, 1 March 2001
by Jaume Ollé and Jorge Candeias
Yellow-red-blue swallow-tailed tricolor, middle stripe rounded. Illustrated Smith 1975, p. 205.
Norman Martin, March 1998
by Jaume Ollé and Jorge Candeias
Flags with different colors order (red-yellow-blue and red-blue-yellow) are known, but the authentic flag was the first.
Mario Fabretto, 1998
I understand Mario Fabretto's sentence as indicative that the official flag was the one we have above, but these differently ordered flags where manufactured and used as variations (in opposition to flag-plate-only flags).
Jorge Candeias, 31 May 1999
Translated from the Delfzijl (Netherlands) website (text by Jakob Bronsema, 1990):
The yellow-red-blue bars, the so-called Eemse vlag (Ems river flag). According to a letter of 27 January 1959 of Mr. Schoningh, city archivarian of Emden the ships from the East Frisian Eems-ports of Emden and Papenburg (now in Germany) flew the Eemse vlag, at first without local insignia. In the 18th century the coat-of-arms of each city was inserted on the middle bar:(...) The colors of the Eemse vlag were derived from the coat-of-arms of the city of Emden, granted by Emperor Maximilian I on 10 August 1495, at the request of count Ulrich Cirksena. These arms were called in Plattdeutsch [low German], "'t Engelke up der Muer" (little angel on the wall) with this 'official' description:ainen schilt in drey teil geteilt, das under mit fliessendem wasser bedeckt, das mitter einen rote maur mit fünff zinnen und das oberteil swartsz darinn ein gelber vogel Harpya genannt mit einem gekronnten jungfrauen haupt und seinen ausgespraitten flügeln. (A shield divided in three parts, below streaming water; in the middle a red wall with 5 pinnacles; and on top black in which a yellow bird Harpy with the head of a crowned maiden with spread wings.)The harpy, a combination of a maiden and an eagle, was the coat-of-arms of the Cirksena family (...).
Jarig Bakker, 6 June 1999
It seems to me that the Emden flag on the Delfzijl page (plain triband without Schwenkel, swallowtails or whatever) is just a fake. Emden had several old flags, well known in the Netherlands Emden was a very important refuge in the 16th century for Dutch protestants fleeing from the Roman Catholic Spaniards, and in the 17th century for Dutch protestants fleeing for Dutch protestants. For identification purposes it seems very unlikely, that the northeastern corner of the Netherlands would use the same flag as Emden. If Jakob B. Bronsema is the only source for that Emden flag it seems to me to be quite fakey.
Jarig Bakker, 20 February 2001
The Prussian authorities had found out that five different flags were flown on ships of Emden before (...) 1739. A royal order of 10 March 1803 commanded the Prussian flag for general use, although design and decoration was in the hands of the seatowns. Around 1811 the Emden flag disappeared.
Ralf Stelter, 1 March 2001
Rectangular flags with the same colors is reported used by the Bishopric of Munster and Emden.
Jaume Ollé, 13 July 1998
both by Jaume Ollé and Jorge Candeias
Red-yellow-red triband. Top and bottom stripes end in a triangle, middle stripe rounded. Illustrated Smith 1975, p. 205.
Norman Martin, March 1998
My drawing is after Smith 1975 no rounded middle stripe but I assume in other plates it is reported with the middle stripe rounded.
Jaume Ollé, 25 June 1998
Red-white-blue horizontal tricolor with a black eagle at center of white stripe.
Norman Martin, March 1998